I have been in this forum for a while, sometimes I am pissed by those people who is close minded, not willing to accept different opinion. There are nice people in Singapore, but unfortunately I did not meet many, so this post is composed just vent my resentment and unhappiness, and I am not mocking some people in particular but Singaporean in general, If you are not happy with the title, and content of the post, please ignore it, like that since when Singapore is importing a lot foreigner, and more and more of different voice will appear, that’s the pitfall of that policy, hope you can understand, and please don’t veto my account, anyway, we can see, whether Singapore is open or not here.
Seeing singapore from another perspective
To be honest , I didn’t develope any affection in the several years I live in singapore, but rather some resentment, which I will discuss later, see whether, the reason is because of my fault, or singapore is really not so perfect place as many perceived.
When you need to know someone, you need to someone else, and make a comparision, singapore is clean, safe organised, as in the ads which attract tourist and student.
But besides which, singapore also have many common bad thing like many other developed cities.
I cited some example, singapore suicide rate is as high as japan, singapore homosexual rate is as high as in US, singapore divorce rate is as high as in US, singapore sexual satifaction rate is as high………, no I would say that,I think singapore sex satifaction rate is not as high as other country, I think singapore guys and girl didn’t enjoy satifactory sex, see, you are developed than african country, but in terms of sex, singapore is less developed than them, just see how long is the penis of black people. Most of asian will bow to them, so though many singaporean have more fortune than less developed country, but in terms of sex, or family tie, family relationship, singaporean should realy reexamine what happen to the socalled developed city, or first class, is the first class so first class?
Franch should be proud of their romance, british should be proud of the large empire they ever build, American should be proud of the super power them own, even iraq egypt should be proud of the tradition they have, jewish say they are blessed and chosen by god. But singapore, I don’t know what they can be proud of, may the cleaness on the street, which is as clean as in hospital.
Singapore have excellent people, like lee kuan yeo, and many business man, but many people comdemn lee kuan yeo, I think I can understand, because lee kuan yeo’s government is big governemtn, they do many thing good to people, but they are thinking in the way, that they have the right to decide thing for citizen, like raise the tax for alchol and cigar, which two, is the most important item discovered, to bring enjoyment to people, and relief pressure,
So in the stressfull society like in singapore, I don’t understand why, government cannot allow people to indulge themselves in drink couples of beer, and smoke some cigarret.
And they propose some idea like joggin to replace them, smoking and achohol is about to maximise your happiness in an allowed extend, which like a person, earn 2000, which is an average salary in sinagpore, imagine if the cigarette price, is not 10 dollar, instead, it’s 2 dollar, which is the price in other country, or the beer is not 6 dollar, but 1 dollar, do you feel much relief in consuming the commodity?
Smoking doesnot hinder your health to that extend as publicised, as long, as you don’t chain smoking often , and do regular exercise, most important be happy,
Then you will be just like the rest of guys, who smoke the whole life, but keep in a good shape.
Being in the developed city, I hope singaporean could be more open minded, and accepted different mind, most of singaporean I encountered, are cynic, and touchy, many people even when they say sorry, they don’t mean it, just looks like they are banged by reality, suffer bad relationship, raised up in a bad family. Being nice is an art, when you have shit in your heart, you saw everything look like shit,
Keep a right mentality, I advice you
To be honest, singapore doesnot have a rich culture, many singaporean is short sighted as well,
They have seldom knowledge about literature ,art, and history, one of the singapore minister said history is burdon, but I say is history make who you are. Singapore don’t have many culture to bond citizen, just like chinese in singapore, their culture is from the fact , they are chinese, just like the cantonese in singapore is just like cantonese in china, beside, singaporean cantonese speak english, I don’t know what’s their difference.
One policy applied by singapore government underhandedly, is fool people, fool people is just an astonishing title, but in nature , they are really dcing this,
PAP, knowing that knowledge make people smart, they educate people with engineering, saying engineering is good, engineering is good in the way of make a stable profitable career, but most of engineer are timid, did not developed independent thinking, easily being persvaded and manipulated. I once heard from friend, in school they don’t teach history or philosophy, they education system in singapore are pragmatic. And they are now wandering why singapore don’t developed enteurpreneur spirit, of course, if a person is not cultured with idea about life, and confidence about what he do, how he can set up a career and take the risk by themselves.
Singapore provide good manager, but not good founder, there are not many sound local brand, I only know creative, ST, and the coffee maker supermix,
I think singapore is overwhelmed by the good infrasture, the money they have, the rank in the world by other agency.
But to be honest, singapore don’t have many space to develop, singapore major in export and import, when the rest of country is opening up, because the heritage they have, they will catching up, the new power house is in Asia, sooner or later, singapore will feel the heat of the pressure from his competitor.
Today, I have said enough, if some day else I feel have to add something, I will do that,
And at last, I will use a word used by many US people
Peace dude.
too long. shorten it.
The main problem is the repressive rule of the PAP regime that stifles the intellectual and creative abilities of people.
Kill off political life.
Kill off intellectual life.
Kill off cultural life.
Live in a tightly controlled repressive state.
Singapore could be great when it desposed off its unworthy leaders
Gary: He said to me at the lift lobby 90% of the exact words - ”Mr Tan,if you walk out of here tomorrow,you might get killed.You might meet with a mysterious accident,you might disappear and nobody will know what happened to you! Mr Tan, some things and people in this country you cannot offend! Some people are above all things! You better make sure you know this! Mr Tan,we can arrange for things to happen to you.You understand or not!”
Right now it's a mobster run country.
Basically, there is nothing wrong with the people in Singapore.
They are normal.
The problem is with the People Action Party's rule of Singapore.
The problem is with the autocratic and power obsessed nature of Lee Kuan Yew.
Originally posted by constantinePa:I have been in this forum for a while, sometimes I am pissed by those people who is close minded, not willing to accept different opinion. There are nice people in Singapore, but unfortunately I did not meet many, so this post is composed just vent my resentment and unhappiness, and I am not mocking some people in particular but Singaporean in general, If you are not happy with the title, and content of the post, please ignore it, like that since when Singapore is importing a lot foreigner, and more and more of different voice will appear, that’s the pitfall of that policy, hope you can understand, and please don’t veto my account, anyway, we can see, whether Singapore is open or not here.
Seeing singapore from another perspective
To be honest , I didn’t develope any affection in the several years I live in singapore, but rather some resentment, which I will discuss later, see whether, the reason is because of my fault, or singapore is really not so perfect place as many perceived.
When you need to know someone, you need to someone else, and make a comparision, singapore is clean, safe organised, as in the ads which attract tourist and student.
But besides which, singapore also have many common bad thing like many other developed cities.
I cited some example, singapore suicide rate is as high as japan, singapore homosexual rate is as high as in US, singapore divorce rate is as high as in US, singapore sexual satifaction rate is as high………, no I would say that,I think singapore sex satifaction rate is not as high as other country, I think singapore guys and girl didn’t enjoy satifactory sex, see, you are developed than african country, but in terms of sex, singapore is less developed than them, just see how long is the penis of black people. Most of asian will bow to them, so though many singaporean have more fortune than less developed country, but in terms of sex, or family tie, family relationship, singaporean should realy reexamine what happen to the socalled developed city, or first class, is the first class so first class?
Franch should be proud of their romance, british should be proud of the large empire they ever build, American should be proud of the super power them own, even iraq egypt should be proud of the tradition they have, jewish say they are blessed and chosen by god. But singapore, I don’t know what they can be proud of, may the cleaness on the street, which is as clean as in hospital.
Singapore have excellent people, like lee kuan yeo, and many business man, but many people comdemn lee kuan yeo, I think I can understand, because lee kuan yeo’s government is big governemtn, they do many thing good to people, but they are thinking in the way, that they have the right to decide thing for citizen, like raise the tax for alchol and cigar, which two, is the most important item discovered, to bring enjoyment to people, and relief pressure,
So in the stressfull society like in singapore, I don’t understand why, government cannot allow people to indulge themselves in drink couples of beer, and smoke some cigarret.
And they propose some idea like joggin to replace them, smoking and achohol is about to maximise your happiness in an allowed extend, which like a person, earn 2000, which is an average salary in sinagpore, imagine if the cigarette price, is not 10 dollar, instead, it’s 2 dollar, which is the price in other country, or the beer is not 6 dollar, but 1 dollar, do you feel much relief in consuming the commodity?
Smoking doesnot hinder your health to that extend as publicised, as long, as you don’t chain smoking often , and do regular exercise, most important be happy,
Then you will be just like the rest of guys, who smoke the whole life, but keep in a good shape.
Being in the developed city, I hope singaporean could be more open minded, and accepted different mind, most of singaporean I encountered, are cynic, and touchy, many people even when they say sorry, they don’t mean it, just looks like they are banged by reality, suffer bad relationship, raised up in a bad family. Being nice is an art, when you have shit in your heart, you saw everything look like shit,
Keep a right mentality, I advice you
To be honest, singapore doesnot have a rich culture, many singaporean is short sighted as well,
They have seldom knowledge about literature ,art, and history, one of the singapore minister said history is burdon, but I say is history make who you are. Singapore don’t have many culture to bond citizen, just like chinese in singapore, their culture is from the fact , they are chinese, just like the cantonese in singapore is just like cantonese in china, beside, singaporean cantonese speak english, I don’t know what’s their difference.
One policy applied by singapore government underhandedly, is fool people, fool people is just an astonishing title, but in nature , they are really dcing this,
PAP, knowing that knowledge make people smart, they educate people with engineering, saying engineering is good, engineering is good in the way of make a stable profitable career, but most of engineer are timid, did not developed independent thinking, easily being persvaded and manipulated. I once heard from friend, in school they don’t teach history or philosophy, they education system in singapore are pragmatic. And they are now wandering why singapore don’t developed enteurpreneur spirit, of course, if a person is not cultured with idea about life, and confidence about what he do, how he can set up a career and take the risk by themselves.
Singapore provide good manager, but not good founder, there are not many sound local brand, I only know creative, ST, and the coffee maker supermix,
I think singapore is overwhelmed by the good infrasture, the money they have, the rank in the world by other agency.
But to be honest, singapore don’t have many space to develop, singapore major in export and import, when the rest of country is opening up, because the heritage they have, they will catching up, the new power house is in Asia, sooner or later, singapore will feel the heat of the pressure from his competitor.
Today, I have said enough, if some day else I feel have to add something, I will do that,
And at last, I will use a word used by many US people
Peace dude.
sad, but looks like some guy hijacked your thread.
would you like to ask the mod to close the thread?
thank you for everyone's reply to my thread. I have thought that it will be ignore like some of my post
Eh i'd just like to correct you on a few points.
Japan's suicide rate is around 23.7 per 100,000 (2006)
South Korea's is around 21.0 per 100,000(2006)
Singapore's is 10.3 per 100,000(2006)
Japan's suicide rate is kinda in a class of its own, i don't think we're near that rate yet. Don't think it's fair to say Singapore's THAT bad.
I can't find any concrete numbers on divorce rates and homosexual rates. Why are you deriving this conclusion?
And we do learn history and literature in schools, though admittedly it's more of remembering facts than of understanding why exactly it happens or interpreting literature.
Originally posted by skythewood:sad, but looks like some guy hijacked your thread.
would you like to ask the mod to close the thread?
Hey, iam not hijacked,
And please don't close this thread, we will see how it goes.
Originally posted by Stevenson101:Eh i'd just like to correct you on a few points.
Japan's suicide rate is around 23.7 per 100,000 (2006)
South Korea's is around 21.0 per 100,000(2006)
Singapore's is 10.3 per 100,000(2006)
Japan's suicide rate is kinda in a class of its own, i don't think we're near that rate yet. Don't think it's fair to say Singapore's THAT bad.
I can't find any concrete numbers on divorce rates and homosexual rates. Why are you deriving this conclusion?
And we do learn history and literature in schools, though admittedly it's more of remembering facts than of understanding why exactly it happens or interpreting literature.
i am not statistician, i am just saying that for making the sentence more compiled.
I think singapore have a law , that fine those people who commit suicide but failed, which i think is a great retrogression in humanity.
i think the divorce rate is high because i often saw on a friendster or similiar website, that, some profile of gals shows marital status as divorced.
again i am not statistician, i have the said the beginning of my post, don't be serious about it,
and i am glad that some of you are not mad at me,
thanks
I think homosexual is a disease in modern society, it's a distortion in humanity, from genetical point of view, there are people born to be homo, because of mutation from heredity. And some is born with both male and female genital ,
Besides those who are born to be like this, i think the more active or increase in number of Homo is because stress, or abused by former opposite sex partner,
which i think it's the reason that there are some homo in singapore, though i don't know many, because they always make them secluded.
However, on this front, i think singapore can not be blamed ,because it's a disease of modern society. Family valued is no longer respect, or in another way, you could say, the diversity of human value is respected.
ah chia
M&P
you are right, i think some of PAP's policy is very paternalistic.From economic point of view, import FT is important, it will keep singapore competitive in international level.
But too many FT flood in, and locals feels that they are invaded. Isn't the government should think for it's citizen, and look after it's citizen, since, many local are not happy with flood in of FT, PAP should reexamine the policy on it, anyway, GDP is not all of what we should looking for. Stay happy is most important.
And as i have explained in my thread. In a stressful enviorment, alcohol and ciarette, is important for make people feel relieved, i don't know why government should think they are the right to decide what is good and bad for people.
Singaporean are hard worker, and good learner, although on the way to westernize, singapore lost it's cultural identity, compare to Hongkong, whose film industry is booming, and cultural product export is massive, singapore should not just imitate what the west done, but be more creative about it's own culture.
Originally posted by constantinePa:i am not statistician, i am just saying that for making the sentence more compiled.
I think singapore have a law , that fine those people who commit suicide but failed, which i think is a great retrogression in humanity.
i think the divorce rate is high because i often saw on a friendster or similiar website, that, some profile of gals shows marital status as divorced.
again i am not statistician, i have the said the beginning of my post, don't be serious about it,
and i am glad that some of you are not mad at me,
thanks
Then please watch how you describe them. It's already tough enough maintaining a sense of civility in the forum, making blanket descriptions like that is akin to lying to support your stand.
At least spend a few minutes checking wikipedia to see if it corresponds to your conclusions. Freedom of Speech is a responsibility as well as a right.
Considering you're in a political forum, people are going to take your comments seriously. If you feel that's not what you want there is the Chit Chat forum or Jokes and Humour forum for you to go.
you know the spirit of open mindedness, is every voice is accepted although may not be agreed. I think if you want a acurate number of those rate, it need alot of manpower and alot time, but statistics is not the only source of our judgement, you would know it by common sense, i know it may sound offend to you.
i am just saying besides GDP growth, people should really be concern about, am i better than last year, or am i happier, more contented?
Though under a paternalistic government, you can expect nothing more from the government, the only thing we can do is to seek a way out, have the right mentality.
People are not pawns of government to make there GDP figure looks better, if PAP really want to earn singaporean's heart, they should care more about what do we need, or maybe another way is be less active, less make decision for ordinary people.
although on the way to westernize, singapore lost it's cultural identity, compare to Hongkong, whose film industry is booming, and cultural product export is massive, singapore should not just imitate what the west done, but be more creative about it's own culture.
There are forces in Singapore that want to suppress the local culture and impose alien culture in order to subjugate the people and make them easier to control.
The ruler of Singapore is not chinese, you must remember that.
I don't expect anything much in terms of cultural development policies from that person.
Though under a paternalistic government
Autocratic or authoritarian regime not "paternalistic".
summary skills needed.
Originally posted by Ah Chia:although on the way to westernize, singapore lost it's cultural identity, compare to Hongkong, whose film industry is booming, and cultural product export is massive, singapore should not just imitate what the west done, but be more creative about it's own culture.
There are forces in Singapore that want to suppress the local culture and impose alien culture in order to subjugate the people and make them easier to control.
The ruler of Singapore is not chinese, you must remember that.
I don't expect anything much in terms of cultural development policies from that person.
hey ah chia...u dont talk like old man leh pls....
hongkong belong to who??? who is its hinterland???
sg leh??? we have to think for our survival.....now u learn innglish liao...come n kpkb....
look around u lah...which countries around us??? who is their majority...who is our majority??? get it????
this is what i mentioned in my post, PAP try to fool people. Make them more subjugated, because PAP seldom teach politics history, or philosophy in education, which will educate more independent spirit, of course in terms of subjugation, they are less easier to be controled. But in terms of improve the welfare of the society as a whole, independent thinking is important.
PAP are composed of some elite, they are good in making money, the biggest local company is controlled temasek group, they make singapore to be international trade center, and appear to be everything is in order and disciplined.
and everything the PAP decide is from economic point of view, not from historical or humanitical point of view, it's also becaused of the less training in history or political or phisolophical knowledge
Originally posted by Bentsb05:hey ah chia...u dont talk like old man leh pls....
hongkong belong to who??? who is its hinterland???
sg leh??? we have to think for our survival.....now u learn innglish liao...come n kpkb....
look around u lah...which countries around us??? who is their majority...who is our majority??? get it????
people often talk about survival, if you earn less like 100 or 200 bucks, does it make you survival impossible? Don't have to worry about survival, even in african country, which is hot, and food is in scarcity, people can survive, not to mention, in singapore, people is relatively rich,
i think there should be a change for mentality, people always want to earn more money, promoted to higher rank in company, but the desire hollow can never be filled enough,
how about family value, marriage commitment, is that the most important thing to make people happy?
hey ah chia...u dont talk like old man leh pls....
What talk old man?
I am talking about facts.
Did you read the dog's memoirs?
not from historical or humanitical point of view, it's also becaused of the less training in history or political or phisolophical knowledge
Politics? History?
Don't make me laugh.
Their aim is to create brainwashed people to follow their dictates.
Not politicised THINKING people.
They HATE politicised people.
Originally posted by constantinePa:
people often talk about survival, if you earn less like 100 or 200 bucks, does it make you survival impossible? Don't have to worry about survival, even in african country, which is hot, and food is in scarcity, people can survive, not to mention, in singapore, people is relatively rich,i think there should be a change for mentality, people always want to earn more money, promoted to higher rank in company, but the desire hollow can never be filled enough,
how about family value, marriage commitment, is that the most important thing to make people happy?
waa..thank u hor...at least here hor in sg..we are relatively rich ......thanks to our govt long planning...well said
anything wrong or not...to be the best we can be....of cos lah...if dont want...we can take life easier....i value my family...marriage all that...up to u what. At least we have a choice....
for nothing ..rake things up
but hor..in reality there also got pple without jobs in these downturn..then they have big family of 4 or 5 to feed....so tell me...i dont know..what u mean by earning less than 200 bucks...n dont worry abt survival...
confusing lah u talk
Originally posted by Ah Chia:hey ah chia...u dont talk like old man leh pls....
What talk old man?
I am talking about facts.
Did you read the dog's memoirs?
not from historical or humanitical point of view, it's also becaused of the less training in history or political or phisolophical knowledge
Politics? History?
Don't make me laugh.
Their aim is to create brainwashed people to follow their dictates.
Not politicised THINKING people.
They HATE politicised people.
ah chia...if they want to control pple's mind...govt wont stress on education importance lah....furthermore teach in innglish, which is international lang somemore....how to brainwash...when pple are literate?
sometimes hor..u know what u write or not...aiyahhhhh
u seem like grasping on any weed to save yr arguement leh...
.furthermore teach in innglish, which is international lang somemore....how to brainwash...when pple are literate?
sometimes hor..u know what u write or not...aiyahhhhh
u seem like grasping on any weed to save yr arguement leh...
You clearly did not read the dog's memoirs and also has a poor understanding of what imposing an alien language on a people can do to their morale.
Please don't make judgements like that if you are ignorant.
in the economic downturn, many people have lost their job, but as you said you have a choice to value family, how about borrowing some money from relative or parent or offsprings? Does it make things easier,
and being in a job market like singapore where competition is hot, yes, you need to be prepared, but i think, if you have the right mentality, you could always have things done, there is always a jobs, like nanny, cleaner, if you are not capable for a good job, then if you survival is your priority, i think there is always a job there, as long as you could lower your pride. Even in the most developed country, there are people not employed, so it's not a matter of economy good or bad.
there is no utopia , everyone could just seat there, and waiting for food. But i think working is joyful thing ,if you have the right mentality.
I forget what we are arguing about, it's about survival, right?
hum, so don't have to worry too much, i think PAP is subsidising poor people right? And family support is important during hard time.Let's get over it
Originally posted by Ah Chia:.furthermore teach in innglish, which is international lang somemore....how to brainwash...when pple are literate?
sometimes hor..u know what u write or not...aiyahhhhh
u seem like grasping on any weed to save yr arguement leh...
You clearly did not read the dog's memoirs and also has a poor understanding of what imposing an alien language on a people can do to their morale.
Please don't make judgements like that if you are ignorant.
hey ah chia...i dont come into this world..blind, deaf or dumb hor....i see things around us hor....
what i see is that i see many things govt built for us in one generation....n i give thanks for it...i dont need any popular chauvinistic kind of leader...talk talk...but nothing gets done....n yet money go into their back pocket under the table....
so be fair lah..
u making opposition look bad with yr talk here in this forum corner..u know....from last time as yr forner nick to now....