The Ren Ci Trial
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Originally posted by angel7030:
there is a different btw holey and holy ya, be careful.What's the diff beside spelling? They are all about emptiness...
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Originally posted by angel7030:
That is my mission,Our REN YAU Hospital Objective is:
"To make peoples laugh and be happy, to let peoples do some soul searching so as to understand the sense of their existence, and finally to let people feels that they are important, interconnected and not alone."
My personal mission here is to bring back my Uncle AndrewPKYap soul, and once his lost soul is back, i would then help him to understand the wonderful nature of life in perspectives that few achieved.
My vow is
"If my Uncle Andrew do not gain his senses back, I will not enter Nirvana"
Honorable Nun Angel
CEO, Ren Yau Hospital
Tan Tock Seng Road
Singapore
Life is not about wining or losing, it is about enjoying every minute of it. Afterall, it is only a part of your journey given as a project.
Lol... guess your REN YAU hospital had achieved its objectives!
But pls dun make ur patients a REN YAU also.
Lol...
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Originally posted by reyes:
i mean the salary of monk is subjective+ moral issue.
the CEO of capitaland also rake in 20million bonus in 2007( i think) when Capitalland rake in billion of profits. Do you think he deserve it?
all i can say is, as long as the salary of executive of charity organisation is make know to public or govt, and if ppl still want to donate, this is no issue.
Ming Yi case is the more on his dishonesty on his assistant and failure as a monk to ensure his assistant also have moral standards.
personally, mingyi look like a faggot with the yeung.
Give the guy a break
Unlike TT Durai, his pay is REALLY peanuts
Unlike TT Durai, he did fantastic stunts and lead by example during charity shows to bring in the $$$, causing pain to himself
Especially in a non-profit org, people tend to lax because the discipline for controls is not as strong as in a profit corporation.
I feel that so long as Renci is still doing a good job for the poor, it's sufficient. What's the big issue?
Even profit corporations, with their strong controls, have 50 billion fiascos, give him a break lah.
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Another day of the trial. When asked about the loan, the monk said: "That was the first time that Raymond Yeung opened his mouth to ask for a loan, so I agreed to it."
He didn't say how many times Yeung open his mouth for other thing.
He claimed he had asked Yeung about repayment of the loan but was soon too caught up with work to continue chasing him. Sure, afterall it was only 50K.
I wish the press would stop printing photos of him. The sight of him in his 'sheep skin' robe, makes me sick.
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there must be better control.
the money are donated to help the needy.
it must not be abused.
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Why CEOs of companies/organisations think the money in the company belongs to them ah? They are responsible for the money but it does not belong to them to suka suka use.
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Originally posted by Darkknighthuang:
Another day of the trial. When asked about the loan, the monk said: "That was the first time that Raymond Yeung opened his mouth to ask for a loan, so I agreed to it."
He didn't say how many times Yeung open his mouth for other thing.
He claimed he had asked Yeung about repayment of the loan but was soon too caught up with work to continue chasing him. Sure, afterall it was only 50K.
I wish the press would stop printing photos of him. The sight of him in his 'sheep skin' robe, makes me sick.
So everything that Yeung guy open his mouth, the monk put his P in and when satisfied, give Yeung the loan, well, Yeung must hv open his mouth alot of time. Gays!
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Originally posted by nehpyh:
What's the diff beside spelling? They are all about emptiness...
No, one produce water, the other produce shit, you hv to becareful ya. -
Originally posted by dragg:
there must be better control.
the money are donated to help the needy.
it must not be abused.
What is abuse?
In all non-profit orgs, there is this thing called surpluses. Non-profit orgs also need to think ahead into the future, and should not spend annual donations completely because the next year's donations might fall short of the needs of their annual expenditure.
IF the money is not in use to help the needy, but is a surplus, what is wrong with loaning it to employees, so long as it is ensured that the employee returns the loan?
You garner goodwill by helping employees in need. I don't see the issue with that. The only issue is that there is insufficient governance controls in Renci. Loaning to employees should have proper procedures, and ensure there are legal means to get back the loan should the employee fail to return the loan
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Originally posted by Darkknighthuang:
Another day of the trial. When asked about the loan, the monk said: "That was the first time that Raymond Yeung opened his mouth to ask for a loan, so I agreed to it."
He didn't say how many times Yeung open his mouth for other thing.
He claimed he had asked Yeung about repayment of the loan but was soon too caught up with work to continue chasing him. Sure, afterall it was only 50K.
I wish the press would stop printing photos of him. The sight of him in his 'sheep skin' robe, makes me sick.
I don't understand your disdain of him.
Sure, repayment of loan was not up to governance standards. It's just a lack of governance controls, that's all.
I don't see the big issue with it. As I already explained, all nonprofit orgs build up surpluses, so loaning to employees is ok, so long as they ensure that employees return the loans.
So what about Yeung taking multiple loans? Again, it's just bad governance.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
I don't understand your disdain of him.
Sure, repayment of loan was not up to governance standards. It's just a lack of governance controls, that's all.
I don't see the big issue with it. As I already explained, all nonprofit orgs build up surpluses, so loaning to employees is ok, so long as they ensure that employees return the loans.
So what about Yeung taking multiple loans? Again, it's just bad governance.
1. Don't you find it strange that he chose to go thru all the trouble (work permit) to hire Yeung and pay him high wages, to be his personal aide. It was not a highly qualified position and I find it hard to believe that he couldn't find a suitable person locally.
2. Granting Yeung supp credit cards with practically no control over expense & repayment for purchases of expensive goods. Granting him a substantial loan just because he opened his mouth!
Very simply, the whole thing sucks!
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I like the monk's reply (paraphrased):
"Where were all you farkers when I first started the charity and went through all the hardhips to build it up and now I only lend money and I got back the money, to boot, and I get all this sh!t fron you assholes".
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originally posted by darkknighthuang: Granting Yeung supp credit cards with practically no control over expense & repayment for purchases of expensive goods. Granting him a substantial loan just because he opened his mouth! are you sure he just opened his mouth?
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Originally posted by AndrewPKYap:
I like the monk's reply (paraphrased):
"Where were all you farkers when I first started the charity and went through all the hardhips to build it up and now I only lend money and I got back the money, to boot, and I get all this sh!t fron you assholes".
same goes to LKY," Where were all these oppositions when i first started to build up singapore, and now, when it is strong and steady, these stupid oppositions started to attack me thru whatever means. I will fix up the opposition and kick those assholes to IMH or St John island for a good time"
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Originally posted by Darkknighthuang:
1. Don't you find it strange that he chose to go thru all the trouble (work permit) to hire Yeung and pay him high wages, to be his personal aide. It was not a highly qualified position and I find it hard to believe that he couldn't find a suitable person locally.
2. Granting Yeung supp credit cards with practically no control over expense & repayment for purchases of expensive goods. Granting him a substantial loan just because he opened his mouth!
Very simply, the whole thing sucks!
1. No, I don't find it strange. There is no evidence whatsoever that Yeung is useless, or does not justify his pay. Moreover, whether a boss hires someone sometimes depends on personal liking. Of coz, the basic calibre must be there.
2. That's just bad governance for me. It only tells me that Renci requires more governance. That's all.
So what exactly sucks, because I don't see anything illegal (or the lack of evidence), and is only more a case of bad governance.
The govt is just making an ant out of a molehill. Compared to the government's pay, which is funded by the SAME source (taxpayers) that funds welfare support to the poor, I would say this case is negligible.
In fact, aside from bad governance, the monk has been doing a great job ensuring that the people benefiting from Renci CONTINUE to benefit.
So what's the big deal?
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Originally posted by lotus999:
originally posted by darkknighthuang:
Granting Yeung supp credit cards with practically no control over expense & repayment for purchases of expensive goods. Granting him a substantial loan just because he opened his mouth!
are you sure he just opened his mouth?
To highlight your question to darkknighthuang, there is no facts in the statement above
"just because he opened his mouth". darkknighthuang is actually commenting based on his emotions and not thinking deeper.and be aware that these are newspaper reports from our ST, whose reporters are considered very immature compared to other countries where there is greater press freedom.
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soul rage, most of us feel unfair only nia. anyway, it dont concern us. it is govt who wana crack down. fair or not fair, legal or not legal, let wait for the final investigation lor. it is too early to jump to their defence.
interesting!!
heil wehrmacht!!
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Originally posted by reyes:
soul rage, most of us feel unfair only nia. anyway, it dont concern us. it is govt who wana crack down. fair or not fair, legal or not legal, let wait for the final investigation lor. it is too early to jump to their defence.
interesting!!
heil wehrmacht!!
I just feel that there is overreaction in this matter.
Renci is unlike the NKF saga, and yet, immature reports from ST make both seem like they are the same.
All I see is bad governance, and the monk is doing his bit to help the poor. Along the way, he slipped. So? What's the big deal, as compared to our leaders overrewarding themselves from the same pool of funds that can be better used to help the poor?
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"Let's move on."
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"The govt is just making an ant out of a molehill" - excuse me, r u trying to say 'making a mountain out of a molehill'?
"That's just bad governance for me" - Bad governance is for sure but I would say that it's very bad governance & I believe that the govt has to do something in view of the serious degree of improper management.
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This is a civil case, let the court decide, our govt had already put the system in place to handle such situation, there is no need for further govt intervention, the system will work itself out and give our citizens a fair verdict. Let us be more democratic, govt do not dictate the issue and in the end, labelled as dictator by opposition.
Angel
Young PAP
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
What is abuse?
In all non-profit orgs, there is this thing called surpluses. Non-profit orgs also need to think ahead into the future, and should not spend annual donations completely because the next year's donations might fall short of the needs of their annual expenditure.
IF the money is not in use to help the needy, but is a surplus, what is wrong with loaning it to employees, so long as it is ensured that the employee returns the loan?
You garner goodwill by helping employees in need. I don't see the issue with that. The only issue is that there is insufficient governance controls in Renci. Loaning to employees should have proper procedures, and ensure there are legal means to get back the loan should the employee fail to return the loan
You can't just suka suka lend company money to employees.
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Originally posted by soul_rage:
I just feel that there is overreaction in this matter.
Renci is unlike the NKF saga, and yet, immature reports from ST make both seem like they are the same.
All I see is bad governance, and the monk is doing his bit to help the poor. Along the way, he slipped. So? What's the big deal, as compared to our leaders overrewarding themselves from the same pool of funds that can be better used to help the poor?
The crack on NKF is way overdue when its exposed! This is precisely why government and the people "overreacted". I would have prefer the government "overreact" on NKF just when they started misusing funds, rather than till a later stage where the gold taps and superinflated pays comes in, damaging the image and creditability of the NPOs.
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why worry so much over a monk
should pay attention more to our richbowl