The pirate problem
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
No one is saying the piracy is justified, however you're focusing too much on the act itself but ignoring why they're doing it in the first place.
It's kinda difficult to be a moral person when others are depriving you of your livehood.
That's like asking why the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are shooting rockets into Israel even when their own people are suffering and inviting yet more suffering from the retaliations.
of course i only care if they do pirate acts that is obviously criminal in nature. They have to solve their own problem. No messiah here to save them, they have to save themselves. But in the meantime, the rest of the world has to deal with the pirate problem.
For the palestinians thingie, lobbing missles and get invaded, that is just being stupid.
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It's a load of crap. Foreign ships accused of dumping toxic wastes and yet foreign fishing vessels still fishing in those waters?
The Somali pirates also hijacked Arab Owned tankers!
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For the palestinians thingie, lobbing missles and get invaded, that is just being stupid.
A Summary of Zionist Terrorism in the Near East — 1944-1948
Prepared for Dr. Ralph J. Bunche, UN Mediator for Palestine
Foreward: In view of the tragic assassination of Count Folke Bernadotte by identified Jewish terrorists on September 17 of this year, the following report has been prepared for the use of Dr. Bunche, Count Bernadotte’s immediate replacement.
The report is a compilation of all identified terrorist attacks on British, American and Arab individuals and entities from the assassination of the British Resident Minister in the Middle East on November 6, 1944 by members of the terrorist Jewish Stern gang to the assassination of Count Bernadotte on September 17, 1948 by members of this same gang of fanatics.
This information is compiled from reports of the US Department of State, the British Foreign Office and various American and British press services.
New York, October 1, 1948
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Foreign ships accused of dumping toxic wastes and yet foreign fishing vessels still fishing in those waters?
Some commenters seem bemused by the fact that both toxic dumping and the theft of fish are happening in the same place - wouldn't this make the fish contaminated?
In fact, Somalia's coastline is vast, stretching to 3300km. Imagine how easy it would be - without any coastguard or army - to steal fish from Florida and dump nuclear waste on California, and you get the idea.
These events are happening in different places - but with the same horrible effect: death for the locals, and stirred-up piracy. There's no contradiction.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
of course i only care if they do pirate acts that is obviously criminal in nature. They have to solve their own problem. No messiah here to save them, they have to save themselves. But in the meantime, the rest of the world has to deal with the pirate problem.
For the palestinians thingie, lobbing missles and get invaded, that is just being stupid.
Then there's not really much for us to discuss on.
We live in Singapore and have the luxury of believing there's actually a choice between making morally correct decisions and morally bad ones.
I just don't believe people in Gaza and Somali actually have that option. It's more "We're screwed anyway, might as well go for a big one"
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Then there's not really much for us to discuss on.
We live in Singapore and have the luxury of believing there's actually a choice between making morally correct decisions and morally bad ones.
I just don't believe people in Gaza and Somali actually have that option. It's more "We're screwed anyway, might as well go for a big one"
If everyone thinks like you, then CIVILISAION ITSELF WILL BE SCREWED SEVERAL TIMES OVER!!!Dont lock your doors tonight. I guess its ok to rob you and abuse you or your loved ones physically. We in Singapore also have our poor.
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We live in Singapore and have the luxury of believing there's actually a choice between making morally correct decisions and morally bad ones.
I just don't believe people in Gaza and Somali actually have that option. It's more "We're screwed anyway, might as well go for a big one".
I agree with you.
You can identify with the plight of the weak and poor.
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Originally posted by xtreyier:
If everyone thinks like you, then CIVILISAION ITSELF WILL BE SCREWED SEVERAL TIMES OVER!!!Dont lock your doors tonight. I guess its ok to rob you and abuse you or your loved ones physically.
Oh screw off.
I just don't pretend i'm not feeding off the sufferings of others. Since you believe so much in might is right does that mean i can do that to your family as long as i'm stronger than you ?
Civilisation has already screwed itself so many times over because of people like you who refuse to look deeper into why something happens and then becomes shocked when things don't turn out the way you want it to be.
What i can contribute to how much civilisation gets itself screwed is miniscule compared to you.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Then there's not really much for us to discuss on.
We live in Singapore and have the luxury of believing there's actually a choice between making morally correct decisions and morally bad ones.
I just don't believe people in Gaza and Somali actually have that option. It's more "We're screwed anyway, might as well go for a big one"
what's the big one for the Gaza side? What do they gain from that?
no option but to be a pirate is not a good enough reason for piracy, but they can make that choice if they want to. that's their life.
But how the rest of the world, they have to think about how to deal with the pirates. either don't go there, or be prepared for pirates when they go through there.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
what's the big one for the Gaza side? What do they gain from that?
no option but to be a pirate is not a good enough reason for piracy, but they can make that choice if they want to. that's their life.
But how the rest of the world, they have to think about how to deal with the pirates. either don't go there, or be prepared for pirates when they go through there.
They gained absolutely nothing tangible. Zip. Zero.
Other than the hope and satisfaction of taking out or mauling a Israeli or 2 for what Israel has been doing to them. There's nothing logical about what they're doing, it's completely an emotional response. What more have they got to lose? They haven't exactly got much dignity left.
If Malaysia were to cut off our water and we were forced to live for years on minimum water rations i don't think there would be people doing any less.
What would constitute as a good enough reason for you then? Fishing is their main livihood, it's not like they have arable land and have the choice of being a farmer to support themselves and their families.
They couldn't possibly compete with the far more advanced and bigger EU fishing fleets on fishing. And there's no decent government that could host a proper coast guard to deal with the illegal fishing. If your bare minimum livehood is threatened, what are you prepared to do ? That's something we as Singaporeans have not really faced yet.
Go ahead and sink the pirates, wipe out every single one of them. But as long as the root causes are not dealt with the problem will keep coming back.
I don't really regard the Gaza Palestinians or Somalis as somehow more important than my own existence i am at heart still a selfish person. But properly identifying the problem means there's a chance for a geninue solution.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
They gained absolutely nothing tangible. Zip. Zero.
Other than the hope and satisfaction of taking out or mauling a Israeli or 2 for what Israel has been doing to them. There's nothing logical about what they're doing, it's completely an emotional response. What more have they got to lose? They haven't exactly got much dignity left.
If Malaysia were to cut off our water and we were forced to live for years on minimum water rations i don't think there would be people doing any less.
What would constitute as a good enough reason for you then? Fishing is their main livihood, it's not like they have arable land and have the choice of being a farmer to support themselves and their families.
They couldn't possibly compete with the far more advanced and bigger EU fishing fleets on fishing. And there's no decent government that could host a proper coast guard to deal with the illegal fishing. If your bare minimum livehood is threatened, what are you prepared to do ? That's something we as Singaporeans have not really faced yet.
Go ahead and sink the pirates, wipe out every single one of them. But as long as the root causes are not dealt with the problem will keep coming back.
I don't really regard the Gaza Palestinians or Somalis as somehow more important than my own existence i am at heart still a selfish person. But properly identifying the problem means there's a chance for a geninue solution.
Sure, there is a perfect solution, get rid of the root cause, make world peace.
That's not going to happen. I don't have a solution for somalia, but i think it will be prudent for the ships to solve the problem of getting raided, held hostage, killed and ransomed by pirates.
If pirates are being killed at an insanely high rate, and has low success, than less problems for ship. Yes, somalia will still be a hell hole, but i can't solve that problem, i can't provide a solution for that. I'm not smart or capable enough for that.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
Sure, there is a perfect solution, get rid of the root cause, make world peace.
That's not going to happen. I don't have a solution for somalia, but i think it will be prudent for the ships to solve the problem of getting raided, held hostage, killed and ransomed by pirates.
If pirates are being killed at an insanely high rate, and has low success, than less problems for ship. Yes, somalia will still be a hell hole, but i can't solve that problem, i can't provide a solution for that. I'm not smart or capable enough for that.
Never said there's a perfect solution, don't think there would be one since it would conflict with the interest of citizens of far more rich and stronger countries.
I mean, the French fishermen are already protesting that they've already used up the cod quotas they've been assigned for the year but the French government wants to prevent that to avoid exhausing the cod population.
The natural choice would be to fish in waters where there are still abundant fish but the local government are too weak to do anything about it.
I just have issues with people portraying the Somalis as the aggressors. I would gladly shoot one if it conflicts with my interests but i won't try to say it like i have the moral highground.
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Territorial waters extends up to 12 miles off the coast of Somalia. I doubt that the vessels were hijacked within its territorial waters.
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Never said there's a perfect solution, don't think there would be one since it would conflict with the interest of citizens of far more rich and stronger countries.
I mean, the French fishermen are already protesting that they've already used up the cod quotas they've been assigned for the year but the French government wants to prevent that to avoid exhausing the cod population.
The natural choice would be to fish in waters where there are still abundant fish but the local government are too weak to do anything about it.
I just have issues with people portraying the Somalis as the aggressors. I would gladly shoot one if it conflicts with my interests but i won't try to say it like i have the moral highground.
Somali pirates are the coast guards?
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Oh screw off.
I just don't pretend i'm not feeding off the sufferings of others. Since you believe so much in might is right does that mean i can do that to your family as long as i'm stronger than you ?
Civilisation has already screwed itself so many times over because of people like you who refuse to look deeper into why something happens and then becomes shocked when things don't turn out the way you want it to be.
What i can contribute to how much civilisation gets itself screwed is miniscule compared to you.
Claiming that one must 'look deeper' when the depth is already fully explored and had been for decades is nothing more than procastination and be deluded, fear of facing up to the facts.Only by confronting the facts can we attempt to solve the pirate problem. BUT you are only avoiding it, misplacing your sympathies and allowing a bunch of savages holding the world to hostage.
With such an attitude, you are just like them - screwing the world. This has nothing to 'holding high moral ground'. When civlisation is at stake, we MUST do what is necessary to ensure our own survival. It is a minority whom refused help, refuse to fight for their own rights to a civilised stable govt and had taken the path to savagery to ensure not their society survive, but just so that a few barbaric warlords can afford chateaus in Loire Valley, France.
I plead you, wake up, Stevenson! The facts are right before your eyes!!!!
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So many blind folks in this forum.....Let me present it this manner.
1) IF it is an issue of illegal international toxic dumping there are United Nation to approached to bring up complaints and investigation.
(Economically we call it externalities, Example if indonesia burn their forest and smoke cover SEA. The regions govt negociate with Indonesia govt to reduce the smoke) We don't send in Planes to bomb their villages.
The reason why Somalia govt cannot do it is because they are busy fighting.
2) Protecting their fishing stocks...Most Somalia fishing capabilities are offshore fishing they don;t have sophsicated fishing Thrawler to fish beyond the depth of their nets nor their boat can hold...
The reason why Somalia cannot afford bigger fishing thrawler because they are busy fighting.
After fighting they need more money to buy more weapons.
The world try to help at different times but their are still busy fighting. Not even their african neighbours want to send in peace keeping force to helps.....Why because they still want to fight among themselve.
you can only help them if they stop fighting among themselve. So it is not because of toxic and illegal fishing.....!!!
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When civlisation is at stake, we MUST do what is necessary to ensure our own survival.
What cock talking you?
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Claiming that one must 'look deeper' when the depth is already fully explored and had been for decades is nothing more than procastination and be deluded, fear of facing up to the facts.So you support or oppose the repressive PAP regime?
Stop misleading the public on the Public Order Act
http://www.sgpolitics.net/?p=2680
Political space further limited with new Public Order Act
http://wayangparty.com/?p=7759
Opposing the Public Order Bill
Yaw Shin Leong
I refer to the article ‘Discretion in public order’ (TODAY, 14th April 2009) and the parliamentary speech on ‘Public Order Bill’ by NCMP Sylvia Lim (WP, 13th April 2009).
Second Minister for Home Affairs K Shanmugam’s attempt to package the public order bill as a ‘substantial relaxation’ of regulations is done in a rather oxymoron manner. A reading of the Public Order Bill will certainly give any readers an immediate concern over the luxurious amount of discretion that the Public Order Bill grants law enforcers.
The police will now have even more pre-emptive powers to deal with cause-related activism, instead of just participant-numbered activism. Police will also have the powers to deem a person or a group of persons to be a threat to public order and hence the right to exercise a ‘move on’ discretion of the said person or groups of persons from any particular area.
What that also came to pass is that, now the police have the authority to direct any person or stop filming and spreading photos or recordings of police operations or investigations. This is such a direct contradiction to the spirit of the citizenry journalism.
The importance of citizenry journalism is best exemplified by the Ian Tomlinson incident, recounted by NCMP Sylvia, whereby London police’s account of his death on April 1, the eve of the G-20 meeting was contradicted by a citizenry journalist who captured on video the police’s action of violently pushing Tomlinson to the ground when he was merely doing nothing but walking away from the area peaceably.
NCMP Sylvia further questioned that ‘if the above case were to happen here, how does this government expect truth and justice to prevail without the presence of footage recorded by public-spirited citizens?’
Unfortunately, Minister Shanmugam’s response was far from satisfactory. He cited the Mumbai terrorist incident and reiterated that such powers were necessary in the light of new media technologies, where intelligence or counter-terrorism operations would have been compromised. Did he answer NCMP Sylvia’s questions? Apparently he chose not to.
Furthermore Minister Shanmugam’s over-arching rationale that the Public Order Act ‘applies only to cause-based activities’ but ‘does not ban such activities per se; it only requires the getting of permits’ is PAP-regime-centric and politically motivated. His explained that ‘about 50% of the activities (sporting & recreational activities organised by statutory & charities) that now require permits will not longer require permits.’
The operative variables above are ‘statutory & charities’. Many will still remember the government’s explanations why WP didn’t get a permit for a sporting initiative - a proposed cycling activity to commemorate WP’s 50th Anniversary, amongst the justifications was the Machiavellian-like legal contrast that the PAP Community Foundation is a registered charity and not a political party.
The government has cleverly-postured the ‘move on’ orders under new Public Order Act as a ‘low key matter’, yet police now has the power to issue orders to persons or groups suspected of ‘undesirable’ behaviour, including being ‘disorderly, indecent, offensive, or threatening’ to passers-by.
My concern is that political development & alternative political expressions in Singapore will potentially take a back seat, as police may now exercise high degree of discretion in issuing move-on orders to political groups reaching out to fellow Singaporeans on the ground.
If the above is to happen, the only recourse for political-alternative activists is to make a case to the Commissioner of Police, but prior to that, complying is a must, otherwise, a fine up to $20,000 or jail term of up to 12 months, or both could be possible. Such draconian laws & punishments seem to be the signature handicrafts of hardcore soviet regimes.
Minister Shanmugam argued further that between enough space for political expression and society’s need for stability. He said that ‘stability has to be given greater weight’. From a political development and political defence point of view, his argument is nothing but myopic. This is because on the contrary, stability would have been enhanced, if a society’s propensity to accept diversity is widen & deepened rather than curtailing it.
Lastly, regardless of international events or ‘special events’, I conjure with MP Sin Boon Ann’s views that government “had gone for the overkill” and “Surely, there are other security-related instruments under our legislative armoury that could have dealt with such issues?” Indeed. -
last i remembered, was talking about pirates.
than someone linked to somalia... ok, not too far a stretch.
than someone link to PAP... that i have to say... no link.
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Originally posted by Ah Chia:
Claiming that one must 'look deeper' when the depth is already fully explored and had been for decades is nothing more than procastination and be deluded, fear of facing up to the facts.So you support or oppose the repressive PAP regime?
Stop misleading the public on the Public Order Act
http://www.sgpolitics.net/?p=2680
Political space further limited with new Public Order Act
http://wayangparty.com/?p=7759
Opposing the Public Order Bill
Yaw Shin Leong
I refer to the article ‘Discretion in public order’ (TODAY, 14th April 2009) and the parliamentary speech on ‘Public Order Bill’ by NCMP Sylvia Lim (WP, 13th April 2009).
Second Minister for Home Affairs K Shanmugam’s attempt to package the public order bill as a ‘substantial relaxation’ of regulations is done in a rather oxymoron manner. A reading of the Public Order Bill will certainly give any readers an immediate concern over the luxurious amount of discretion that the Public Order Bill grants law enforcers.
The police will now have even more pre-emptive powers to deal with cause-related activism, instead of just participant-numbered activism. Police will also have the powers to deem a person or a group of persons to be a threat to public order and hence the right to exercise a ‘move on’ discretion of the said person or groups of persons from any particular area.
What that also came to pass is that, now the police have the authority to direct any person or stop filming and spreading photos or recordings of police operations or investigations. This is such a direct contradiction to the spirit of the citizenry journalism.
The importance of citizenry journalism is best exemplified by the Ian Tomlinson incident, recounted by NCMP Sylvia, whereby London police’s account of his death on April 1, the eve of the G-20 meeting was contradicted by a citizenry journalist who captured on video the police’s action of violently pushing Tomlinson to the ground when he was merely doing nothing but walking away from the area peaceably.
NCMP Sylvia further questioned that ‘if the above case were to happen here, how does this government expect truth and justice to prevail without the presence of footage recorded by public-spirited citizens?’
Unfortunately, Minister Shanmugam’s response was far from satisfactory. He cited the Mumbai terrorist incident and reiterated that such powers were necessary in the light of new media technologies, where intelligence or counter-terrorism operations would have been compromised. Did he answer NCMP Sylvia’s questions? Apparently he chose not to.
Furthermore Minister Shanmugam’s over-arching rationale that the Public Order Act ‘applies only to cause-based activities’ but ‘does not ban such activities per se; it only requires the getting of permits’ is PAP-regime-centric and politically motivated. His explained that ‘about 50% of the activities (sporting & recreational activities organised by statutory & charities) that now require permits will not longer require permits.’
The operative variables above are ‘statutory & charities’. Many will still remember the government’s explanations why WP didn’t get a permit for a sporting initiative - a proposed cycling activity to commemorate WP’s 50th Anniversary, amongst the justifications was the Machiavellian-like legal contrast that the PAP Community Foundation is a registered charity and not a political party.
The government has cleverly-postured the ‘move on’ orders under new Public Order Act as a ‘low key matter’, yet police now has the power to issue orders to persons or groups suspected of ‘undesirable’ behaviour, including being ‘disorderly, indecent, offensive, or threatening’ to passers-by.
My concern is that political development & alternative political expressions in Singapore will potentially take a back seat, as police may now exercise high degree of discretion in issuing move-on orders to political groups reaching out to fellow Singaporeans on the ground.
If the above is to happen, the only recourse for political-alternative activists is to make a case to the Commissioner of Police, but prior to that, complying is a must, otherwise, a fine up to $20,000 or jail term of up to 12 months, or both could be possible. Such draconian laws & punishments seem to be the signature handicrafts of hardcore soviet regimes.
Minister Shanmugam argued further that between enough space for political expression and society’s need for stability. He said that ‘stability has to be given greater weight’. From a political development and political defence point of view, his argument is nothing but myopic. This is because on the contrary, stability would have been enhanced, if a society’s propensity to accept diversity is widen & deepened rather than curtailing it.
Lastly, regardless of international events or ‘special events’, I conjure with MP Sin Boon Ann’s views that government “had gone for the overkill” and “Surely, there are other security-related instruments under our legislative armoury that could have dealt with such issues?” Indeed.
Can you don't hijack the bloody thread? -
so fierce.
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Okay, my fault.
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War Nerd Update: Yo Ho Ho and a Tanker of CrudeBy Gary Brecher
Yo ho ho ho time in Somalia! What’s the bestest present kids dream of in faraway Puntland, where piracy is more than a Disney marketing gimmick? A supertanker, that’s what. A Saudi supertanker is the ultimate in stuffed stockings: 100 million gallons of pure crude.
What an Xmas morning that had to be for some sleepy fishing village on the Somali coast! Little Abdul Jihad goes to sleep dreaming of sugarplums-dreaming of picking them off from a hundred meters with his AK—and wakes to find the horizon blotted out by a ship that’s bigger than the whole village.Every day I love these Somali pirates more. You know that Lefty line, “this is what democracy looks like”? Well, this is what Robin Hood looks like: a bunch of black skeletons swarming over the side with RPGs. These guys used to be humble fishermen, till the Taiwanese and Korean trawlers took advantage of the fact that Somalia has no government to scoop every last sculpin out of the waters they used to fish. No government means no coast guard, so who was going to stop them?
Well, karma went out and traded in its fishing boats for a few fast outboards and some Yemeni guns, and made a career move into the piracy business. Now they are what the NT would call “fishers of men.” And getting rich off it, bling and all the nomad girls you can buy.
So a big hundred million ton shout out to my perps, showin’ your fat Jack-Sparrow-worshipping kiddies what piracy is all about. Keep thinking big, boys. Today that supertanker, tomorrow the cruise ships! All those overfed retirees have relatives who’ll pay big to see their crumbly old folks back in Arizona! Just a word to the wise, just a hint for next time! You can’t miss’em, big white ships that smell like buffet tables and used Depends!
http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd
War Nerd Gloat: My Pir-rate Boyeeez Takin’ My Tips!By Gary BrecherWell, now we know my pals the Somali pirates are loyal War Nerd readers. At the end of my column saluting them for taking on a supertanker, I suggested they go for a cruise ship next:
“Today that supertanker, tomorrow the cruise ships! All those overfed retirees have relatives who’ll pay big to see their crumbly old folks back in Arizona! Just a word to the wise, just a hint for next time! You can’t miss’em, big white ships that smell like buffet tables and used Depends!”
Well, they gave it the old Somali college try, according to a story in today’s Telegraph.
A couple of Somali pirate boats, those fast open boats they use for boarding, zoomed toward the Oceana Nautica and fired a few shots at it by way of saying, “Hi! Why not take a break ashore in our new Hostage-Cave Hilton?”
The liner outran them, apparently, so it didn’t even get a chance to use the wonderful hi-tech defense system the article mentions:
“When threatened, some liners possess long-range acoustic devices (LRAD), which emit high frequency noise, to deter potential attackers.”
Oooo, scary! Loud noises! Got those pirates on the running, begging for mercy: “Please, don’t aim loud noises at me!” Come on, for God’s sake. Somali pirates probably don’t have that great hearing to begin with, not after a lifetime of firing heavy weapons from the backs of pickup trucks. And they’re not sensitive plants, either, because in a place like that the sensitive types get planted early. You think they’re going to be deterred by a Brit recording? Benny Hill screeching, “Ooo, you wicked poi-ruts, go stick yer fingers in yer ears and go ting-a-ling-a-loo!”
I have a better defense system to suggest to the cruise lines. It’s called the LRHLD, or “long range hot lead dispenser,” also known as a heavy machine gun. I would love, totally love, the job of Secretary of Defense on one of these love boats, sunning on deck and drinking whatever those tropical drinks are called and every few days getting the call, “Oh Gary, pirates off the stern!” I’d sigh and moan and waddle over to the machine gun and turn the barrel a few degrees and watch the little splashes get closer and closer to the speedboat until I got full Halo 3 points for it, then go back to the serious work of tanning. I hereby volunteer for this hazardous duty. You think my pals the pirates would grudge me a little sun time on the deck, a little easy money? I don’t; they’re pros, just like me. They know what time it is.
So you bring the machine gun, I’ll bring the sociopathy and the trigger finger, and we’ll meet up in the Gulf of Aden.
Or if you don’t like the machine gun idea, I can also yell real loud and I do a mean Benny Hill.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
So many blind folks in this forum.....Let me present it this manner.
1) IF it is an issue of illegal international toxic dumping there are United Nation to approached to bring up complaints and investigation.
(Economically we call it externalities, Example if indonesia burn their forest and smoke cover SEA. The regions govt negociate with Indonesia govt to reduce the smoke) We don't send in Planes to bomb their villages.
The reason why Somalia govt cannot do it is because they are busy fighting.
2) Protecting their fishing stocks...Most Somalia fishing capabilities are offshore fishing they don;t have sophsicated fishing Thrawler to fish beyond the depth of their nets nor their boat can hold...
The reason why Somalia cannot afford bigger fishing thrawler because they are busy fighting.
After fighting they need more money to buy more weapons.
The world try to help at different times but their are still busy fighting. Not even their african neighbours want to send in peace keeping force to helps.....Why because they still want to fight among themselve.
you can only help them if they stop fighting among themselve. So it is not because of toxic and illegal fishing.....!!!
I just bring out the information that i've been reading and presenting my assessment in my perspective. If that is considered blind then we're all blind because you can't exactly give a more accurate assessment unless you're living there.Somalia was already attempting to stablize under the Islamic Court Union but was overthrow by warlords backed by the Ethiopians (Your foreign "peacekeeper" force) and some say tacit US support. Even during the conflict the US conducted air strikes against supposedly Al Qaeda links. That's what they claimed, it's not like we can get a Somali to share with us what really happened.
They can't exactly stablize when foreign countries try to get their preferred government in power and it doesn't help that their best hope was an Islamic one.
The problem is that the foreign trawlers are not bound by quotas like in their own countries. They can fish all they like and bear no responsibilities. Potentially that could devastate the fish population because they're not allowed the time to reproduce and grow. In the end, it's still going to affect the average Somali fishermen.
There's a lot more factors to be considered than the ones we see on the news. Reporters and Journalists are not trained to be all knowing, they can only report the truth from their limited perspectives. Basing our assessments because of the different medias we consume and thinking that it is the only Truth is laughable at best.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
last i remembered, was talking about pirates.
than someone linked to somalia... ok, not too far a stretch.
than someone link to PAP... that i have to say... no link.
Chey you say pirates during a time where Somali pirates are on the headlines of course i'm going to make the association what.