North Korea getting too powerful?

• Fryderyk HPH

  5 Apr 09, 17:14

  Originally posted by kilfer:

  Not really leh. The USA is our traditional protector. They are the reason why Mahathir and that post-Suharto Indonesian guy (remember little red dot?) is all talk no action.

  B.J Habibie???

• kilfer

  5 Apr 09, 17:16

  Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:

  B.J Habibie???

  
  Yup... that Habibie fellow! Your memory is good.

• Fryderyk HPH

  5 Apr 09, 17:17

  Originally posted by kilfer:

  
  Yup... that Habibie fellow! Your memory is good.

  That idiot is a one big fool... Lead Indonesia into the economic crisis then rupiah spiral up like free... Good times for S'porean tourist though...

• Ah Chia

  5 Apr 09, 17:18

  The USA is our traditional protector.

  I think that role is played by Britain, not USA.

  The Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) are a series of defence relationships established by bilateral agreements between the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia and Singapore signed in 1971, whereby the five states will consult each other in the event of external aggression or threat of attack against Malaysia or Singapore.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five

   

  The dog is an anglo one afterall.

   

• Fryderyk HPH

  5 Apr 09, 17:20

  Originally posted by Ah Chia:

  The USA is our traditional protector.

  I think that role is played by Britain, not USA.

  The Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) are a series of defence relationships established by bilateral agreements between the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia and Singapore signed in 1971, whereby the five states will consult each other in the event of external aggression or threat of attack against Malaysia or Singapore.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five

   

  But SG suck up more to USA previously, but nowadays it is more pro-PRC...

• Ah Chia

  5 Apr 09, 17:27

  nowadays it is more pro-PRC.

  Flood island with PRCs!

  Crush the local dialect culture!

  These are the policies of the anglo dog, ha ha.

  Dog will be dog.

• Fryderyk HPH

  5 Apr 09, 17:31

  Originally posted by Ah Chia:

  nowadays it is more pro-PRC.

  Flood island with PRCs!

  Crush the local dialect culture!

  These are the policies of the anglo dog, ha ha.

  Dog will be dog.

  LKY anglo dog meh? I thought he anti-anglo-ish?

• kilfer

  5 Apr 09, 17:36

  The UK and the west european armies are a shadow of their colonization days. BBC reported that the UK army is less than 100k trained men in 2006 (probably the entire UK armed forces is abt 200k regulars as reported by Wikipedia). Our former defence minister reported that SAF has total strength of 300+ k men (standing army + reservist).

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6216147.stm

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Armed_Forces

   

  Malaysia's armed forces have about 100k active strength.

  http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/26011.pdf

   

  Indonesia's armed forces (Tentara Nasional Indonesia, or TNI) total approximately 350,000 members.

  http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2748.htm

   

  The UK/European armies are very weak nowadays. That's why NATO is lead by America, and that's also why the UK/European armies have never fought any major battles w/o the leadership of the USA (for the last 2 decades?).

   

• kilfer

  5 Apr 09, 17:37

  Originally posted by Fryderyk HPH:

  But SG suck up more to USA previously, but nowadays it is more pro-PRC...

  
  Coz China will be increasingly more influential in East Asia. USA's influence is waning.

• Fryderyk HPH

  5 Apr 09, 17:38

  Originally posted by kilfer:

  The UK and the west european armies are a shadow of their colonization days. BBC reported that the UK army is less than 100k trained men in 2006 (probably the entire UK armed forces is abt 200k regulars as reported by Wikipedia). Our former defence minister reported that SAF has total strength of 300+ k men (standing army + reservist).

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6216147.stm

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Armed_Forces

   

  Malaysia's armed forces have about 100k active strength.

  http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/26011.pdf

   

  Indonesia's armed forces (Tentara Nasional Indonesia, or TNI) total approximately 350,000 members.

  http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2748.htm

   

  The UK/European armies are very weak nowadays. That's why NATO is lead by America, and that's also why the UK/European armies have never fought any major battles w/o the leadership of the USA (for the last 2 decades?).

   

  DPRK is 1 to 1.5 million leh... Ok granted they have lousy weapons from Soviet times, but with that number... A lot of damage can be done if they go kamikaze on the ROKoreans...

• Ah Chia

  5 Apr 09, 17:42

  I thought he anti-anglo-ish?

  I think he can't wait to be reborn as proper anglo.

  The greatest tragedy of Singapore is that an anglo dog instead of local majority hokkien  was able to capture power and turn the country into a westernised cultureless freak.

   

   

• Fryderyk HPH

  5 Apr 09, 17:55

  Originally posted by Ah Chia:

  I thought he anti-anglo-ish?

  I think he can't wait to be reborn as proper anglo.

  The greatest tragedy of Singapore is that an anglo dog instead of local majority hokkien  was able to capture power and turn the country into a westernised cultureless freak.

   

   

  Margaret Thatcher and Winston Churchill would prolly go mad...

• HyugaClan

  5 Apr 09, 18:10

  The North Corean must be yelling "Down with the white imperalist pig!!" LOL!!

• Fryderyk HPH

  5 Apr 09, 18:12

  Originally posted by HyugaClan:

  The North Corean must be yelling "Down with the white imperalist pig!!" LOL!!

  Don't they do that all the time???

• Jianye

  6 Apr 09, 20:35

   

  Yah, the Europeans have 50K of Terminators to destroy a million man strong army....

  Singapore has 300K of Zergs to infest the enemy....

  USA has numerous Carriers and dragoons to slaughter anyone in their path...

  Who wins?

• jojobeach

  7 Apr 09, 06:57

  Seriously.. china coulda send a battalion of their spitting chinese to drown that Kimmy ill, and take that shortie communist embarrassment outa their chinese ass once and for all.

  I really wonder why they keep deelee dalleeeing.. get it done already.

  Having North Korea constantly throwing fits and childish tantrums.. surely.. it can't be good for the Chinese economic stability.

  That piece of land coulda easily blend into china and they get to reap the benefits of those billions tons of top grade crude underneath NK soil.

  Get moving china... before the ang mohs start their moves.

   

   

• Ah Chia

  7 Apr 09, 11:22

  Get moving china... before the ang mohs start their moves.

  China is not an aggressor state, unlike USA and others.

  DPRK also has good relations with China.

  And last but not least, DPRK creates headaches for USA.

  Now you don't seriously believe that China is unhappy about that now would you?

  More headaches for USA means USA needs China's help to influence DPRK behaviour, which means that USA must take note of China's interests in other areas.

  Also, if USA makes a move against Iran, DPRK can make another move, distract a bit, divert a bit.

  Want to harass chinese ships, want to expand NATO, want to sells arms to Taiwan, DPRK can divert a bit...

   

• Ah Chia

  7 Apr 09, 11:31

  February 9, 2005

  U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Wednesday that Iran must live up to its international obligations to halt its nuclear program or "the next steps are in the offing."

  "And I think everybody understands what the 'next steps' mean," Rice told reporters after a meeting with NATO foreign ministers and European Union officials.

  "It's obvious that if Iran cannot be brought to live up to its international obligations that, in fact, the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) statutes would suggest that Iran has to be referred to the U.N. Security Council," she said.

  Iran has refused to halt its nuclear program, saying it is only intended for peaceful energy production...

  http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/02/09/rice/index.html

   

  And the next day:

   

  North Korea announced Thursday, February 10 2005, for the first time it possesses nuclear weapons to protect itself against an increasingly hostile United States and suspended participation in the six-way talks on dismantling its nuclear program.

  http://www.turks.us/article.php

   

  TONY JONES: Well, North Korea's shock announcement has added an unwelcome complication to Washington's campaign to put pressure on another outpost of tyranny to abandon its nuclear plans. The White House has toughened its warning over Iran's weapons program, leaving open the threat of international sanctions and military force. The threats come as Europe and Iran resume talks over Tehran's nuclear plans. Washington wants to ensure that the message Europe sends is as tough as possible. Michael Carey reports...

  
  http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2005/s1300413.htm

   

  Must distract a bit, divert a bit you know.

• Ah Chia

  7 Apr 09, 11:45

  Croatia, Albania welcomed at historic NATO summit

  With two new members, Albania and Croatia, bringing NATO's size to 28 countries, NATO leaders discussed the Alliance's future at the April 3rd-4th 60th anniversary summit in Strasbourg, France. It was US President Barack Obama's first NATO conference...

  http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setimes/xhtml/en

  North Korea's rocket launch April 5th

  China and Russia block Security Council sanctions over North Korean launch

  http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/

   Russia opposes NATO expansion in principle - PM Putin

  http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080531/

   

   

• Daddy!!

  7 Apr 09, 21:35

  USA badly needs to lead a major War now and North Korea has just volunteered to be the one.

• Ah Chia

  7 Apr 09, 21:59

  US Hypocrisy on North Korea Let's Talk About Israel's Nukes By Jeremy Scahill APRIL, 06, 2009 "RebelReports" -- President Obama's administration is pressing for diplomatic retaliation, perhaps in the form of more sanctions against North Korea, after Pyonyang launched a rocket into space. There are conflicting reports about the success of the launch. North Korea says the rocket carried a satellite, which is now orbiting the earth. That's according to state-run media in North Korea, which reportedly broadcast patriotic songs and images of Kim Jung Il, praising him for the launch. The US, meanwhile, said the launch failed to reach orbit, landing in the Pacific Ocean. According to The New York Times, "Officials and analysts in Seoul said the North's rocket, identified by American officials as a Taepodong-2, flew at least 2,000 miles, doubling the range of an earlier rocket it tested in 1998 and boosting its potential to fire a long-range missile." There is disagreement at the Security Council over whether North Korea violated any UN resolutions with the US on one side and Russia, backed by China, on the other. The Obama administration has called the launch a "provocative act." "We think that what was launched is not the issue; the fact that there was a launch using ballistic missile technology is itself a clear violation," said UN ambassador Susan Rice, who is pressing for more sanctions against North Korea at the Security Council. Chinese officials said North Korea, like other nations, had a right to launch satellites. "Every state has the right to the peaceful use of outer space," said Russia's deputy U.N. envoy, Igor N. Shcherbak. Obama used the launch in his major address in Prague, which has been characterized as an anti-nuclear speech. "Rules must be binding," he said of North Korea's launch. "Violations must be punished. Words must mean something." Many countries around the world certainly see hypocrisy in the Obama administration's position on North Korea. Israel has repeatedly been condemned by the UN for its occupation of Palestinian lands. Moreover, it has hundreds of nuclear weapons with estimates ranging from 200-400 warheads. What's more, Israel and the US are in league with North Korea in the small club of nations that have refused to ratify the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. Other nations include: China, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Iran, and Pakistan. In his Prague speech, Obama said his administration "will immediately and aggressively pursue U.S. ratification," saying, "After more than five decades of talks, it is time for the testing of nuclear weapons to finally be banned." All of this must be kept in context as the "crisis" with North Korea continues to unfold. US hypocrisy on the nuclear issue takes away credibility the US has in its condemnations of North Korea, or Iran, for that matter. "Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile activity poses a real threat, not just to the United States, but to Iran's neighbors and our allies," Obama said in Prague. Obama used Iran to justify a controverisal central European missile system, saying, "As long as the threat from Iran persists, we will go forward... with a missile defense system that is cost-effective and proven." Obama did not mention Israel once in his speech and has never acknowledged its nuclear weapons system. Perhaps Obama should ask Arab and Muslim nations in the region what country they see as the biggest nuclear threat. And this historical fact, which to Obama's credit he acknowledged, should never be forgotten: One nation in the world has used nuclear weapons-the United States. In a statement, Peace Action, cautiously welcomed some of Obama's positions outlined in Prague, but said, "President Obama's statement that [a nuclear weapons-free] world might not be achieved in his lifetime is very disappointing. Obama can and should announce the initiation of negotiations on the global elimination of nuclear weapons. Similarly, his promotion of nuclear power, missile defense bases in Poland and the Czech Republic and his escalation of troops in Afghanistan are all moves in the wrong direction." http://informationclearinghouse.info/article22357.htm
• Ah Chia

  7 Apr 09, 22:01

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